[Rottweilerlvr]

Originally Posted by rutylr

I only allow this if people have owned male Rottweilers before.Other wise it's neuter by 6 months.Some people just don't stay on top of the boys like they should.

Well, that's good... I've worried about that because I will be looking for a male rottweiler puppy in a few years. Well, I hope and pray it's a few years, I want Baxter as long as possible, but he is getting up there in age. I'll have to give myself a mourning period before one arrives... I'm just glad there are breeders out there that will do that for someone who is just looking for a good pet quality dog.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

Originally Posted by SmoothCollieluver

You can not decide when someone gets breeding rights. Either you sell them on limited reg or not. You coul work it in to a contract but good luck enforcing that.

As far as titleing dogs. that's great but how far do you want to go with that. Some titles take a long time to train for and the more you do the longer. Which brings me to my point. I breed bitches between 2 and 5. I would do any older...well maybe 6 but def no older then that. Males it doesn't matter so much. Something for you to think about.

TM's don't mature until they are around 3-4 years old. I would probably breed once, if the litter turned out great, I might do a repeat with the same dogs.

And you can decide if someone gets breeding rights or not. You can put a time limit on it and work it into a contract, I see it and do it ALL the time. The hard part is enforcing that contract, but then again, it is all who you sell the pup to. TM owners is a very small club, everyone generally knows everyone else, so chances are I would be breeding and selling to people that I know to expand their lines of breeding.

As far as titles, I would want my female to have some points in shows, to show she and her offspring will have potential, but I would LOVE for the male to have a title. You can't tell too much with a TM while they are young, they are a different breed.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

Originally Posted by SmoothCollieluver

I don't know too much about mastiffs but do you know how many litters breeders typically have from one bitch? Seems like they don't have much time there due to the short life exp.

A good TM breeder will breed their bitch no more than 3 times during her entire life expectancy... and that is pushing it. Most of the time you will get 2 litters of good pups. I know a gal who was going to breed hers, but since AKC is accepting them in 2007, she is refraining to get a title.... I think she is def. going to have it!

[SmoothCollieluver]

Originally Posted by Rottweilerlvr

For the breeders out there, do you allow owner's to wait until the male puppy is fully mature in body(around 3 years for large breed) before neutering so they don't have the bitchy look?

I personally haven't noticed a difference in collies. I know what you are saying reguarding very large breeds but I don't think that is common. And if you wait till 3 you are running all the risks that neutering reduces or elminates. Normally we expect it done by one year and not done before 6m.

[SmoothCollieluver]

Originally Posted by BelovedJuggernaut

A good TM breeder will breed their bitch no more than 3 times during her entire life expectancy... and that is pushing it. Most of the time you will get 2 litters of good pups. I know a gal who was going to breed hers, but since AKC is accepting them in 2007, she is refraining to get a title.... I think she is def. going to have it!

I think 3 litters is pretty typical to all breeds. Except bulldogs...and maybe pugs. Lucky to get two out of a bulldog usually done at one litter.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

Originally Posted by SmoothCollieluver

I think 3 litters is pretty typical to all breeds. Except bulldogs...and maybe pugs. Lucky to get two out of a bulldog usually done at one litter.

Really? I knew most breeds are 3 litters, but I didn't know about bulldogs or pugs. I am not much of a small dog person, so I tend to know little about them as far as breeding goes. I haven't had much experience training smaller dogs either, sad as that is, I am used to larger dogs.

[rutylr]

I think the number of litters depends on the breeders.
I breed my females only once and spay them.I then keep a girl from that litter and breed her after all her titles are earned.
I know a few other breeders who also do this.
Some people do have three or four.IMO that is too much.If you only breed for your self there is no need for three litters.

[SmoothCollieluver]

Originally Posted by BelovedJuggernaut

Really? I knew most breeds are 3 litters, but I didn't know about bulldogs or pugs. I am not much of a small dog person, so I tend to know little about them as far as breeding goes. I haven't had much experience training smaller dogs either, sad as that is, I am used to larger dogs.

Bulldogs almost always have to have c-sections. (a breed that destroys itself) because the puppies heads are too big to be born naturally. Pugs tend to have the same problem but not as often.

[SmoothCollieluver]

Originally Posted by rutylr

I think the number of litters depends on the breeders.
I breed my females only once and spay them.I then keep a girl from that litter and breed her after all her titles are earned.
I know a few other breeders who also do this.
Some people do have three or four.IMO that is too much.If you only breed for your self there is no need for three litters.

We breed for ourselves but also do alot of breeding. I don't do that much cause i mostly work the show end of things, but the breeder i would with has about 4 litters a year maybe more depending on what she is looking to get. But she also has about 25 adults. There is a money part to it. Not to make money but for the dogs to pay for themselves.

[Stark]

"Psst.. tossing this question in since it was kind of brought up along the way... hope it makes sense:
Doesn't the standards (AKC presumably?) have temperament requirements as well as structure? What I am getting at is if you breed "to the standard", you would be breeding for temperament as well, right?"

Clarkfarm while the AKC does have this requirement in their standard very few dogs actually do possess the temperament the standard calls for. The GSD is commonly used as an example of how the true characteristics of the dog have been bred out. If you compare the working GSD with the "show GSD" you will not only see a tremendous difference in conformation but a lack of drives that the original dog was bred to have. While the dog should be social it is somewhat difficult to get a well bred dog to allow a judge to fondle the testicles and get up in its face to examine it. Dogs remeber so much of what goes on in their training and the action of decoys that the physical habits of a judge could possiblibly provoke a bite. Ex a decoy with a limp and a judge with a limp, one thing that must be remembered is these dogs are not light switches turned off and on in an instance.
There has been a big shuffle of the working dog community in the last few years regarding the sport of Schutzhund and it's ineffectiveness in truely testing a dogs drive, thus the formation of new reality (realistic) dog sports. As a side note the AKC is attempting to have some sort of working title but the working community lacks any faith in the program. A dog that shows the potential to be agressive or one that is demonstrated as being trained for protection work is most often shunned and discouraged. While the show dogs are beautiful they don't represent the original breed, unfortunately this has happened to all of the top working breeds in the US.