CALIFORNIA MANDATORY Spay/Neuter Bill

[Rottweilerlvr]

Subject: Fw: [pet-law] California State Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bill


A "heads up" from Joan Miller of the Cat Fanciers' Association (CFA):

Fanciers;

The expected "California Healthy Pets Act" was posted to the
California
State website this morning. This is Assembly Bill 1634 introduced by
Assembly member Lloyd Levine; Principal coauthor - Senator Padilla;
coauthor Assembly Member Nava. _http://www.legislature.ca.gov/_
(http://www.legislature.ca.gov/)

The bill requires all dogs and cats 4 months of age to be altered
unless one has an intact permit.

A local jurisdiction shall issue an intact permit if the cat or dog
has a pedigree with various registries listed (The Cat Fanciers'
Association is not on this list) or a registry approved by the local
animal control agency.

Fees are to be determined by the local jurisdiction.

The CFA Legislative Group will review this bill and post information
and ALERTS as soon as possible.

Appropriate forwarding is encouraged.

Joan Miller
CFA Legislative Coordinator
JMillerArt@aol.com
_www.cfa.org_ (http://www.cfa.org/)
www.cfa.org/ezine

Please forward as indicated. If this passes we can all leave now.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

I have heard about this bill in the works.

I think the mandatory spay/neuter is a great idea, but I wish they were a little more clear on what would be allowed and what wouldn't as far as "pedigreed" breeds."

[Rottweilerlvr]

If they don't mention it, mandatory means mandatory... All breeds... All dogs.. Show or not... They don't mention anything about "pedigreed" dogs...

[Puddles]

I would actually be in favor of this as well, though, that would depend on the breeding stipulations, etc. But, I am not for ceasing all dogs and cats, so not sure who is behind that or why. But, (many buts in here LOL) since working in a 'kill' shelter and piles of dead animals, and what perfectly healthy animals sound like while 5/6 people are holding them down to be euthanized, well, "that alone" sways me in that direction. You see, euthanizing a terminally ill pet is quite different than this situation. Euthanizing animals because there is no room, no home etc, this is extremely sad, disheartening, bleak, that is a tremendous blemish on humanity. In all honesty, I really don't know what the perfect solution to this would be. I am all for shutting down every puppy mill and disallowing pet stores to sell dogs/cats.

There are more careless people out there than not. But, still, not enough information there for me to come to a 100% decision on this. I know, no help at all here. Just rambling thoughts.

[tori]

this sounds like a step in the right direction.

[ClarkFarm]

Simply requiring a certain registration is not responsible breeding.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

If they don't mention it, mandatory means mandatory... All breeds... All dogs.. Show or not... They don't mention anything about "pedigreed" dogs...

Well, it says that in order to keep your dog intact, you would need a pedigree with registrations listed.

The only reason I care is because the TM I am getting is going to be a show dog for AKC events, I have to keep him intact in order to show confirmation. That is why i say I wish they would be more specific as to what type of pedigree your dog must have and what registrations you would have to be listed.

[SmoothCollieluver]

I'm sure there are breeders in Cal so there will have to be some sort of amedment. But how would you judge byb from real breeders? Look for instance at the TM they don't have Ch in their pedigree because they have not been reg. long enough yet. And it's not like every good breeding dog is a ch either. It isn't going to do anything (that bill i mean). The good people already spay/neuter or have intact dogs for good reasons. The bad people just won't reg. Like here the raised the cost of rabies cert. for unaltered dogs, well the people that don't want to fix their dogs just don't get rabies now, and what good does that do.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

I'm sure there are breeders in Cal so there will have to be some sort of amedment. But how would you judge byb from real breeders? Look for instance at the TM they don't have Ch in their pedigree because they have not been reg. long enough yet. And it's not like every good breeding dog is a ch either. It isn't going to do anything (that bill i mean). The good people already spay/neuter or have intact dogs for good reasons. The bad people just won't reg. Like here the raised the cost of rabies cert. for unaltered dogs, well the people that don't want to fix their dogs just don't get rabies now, and what good does that do.


Actually, some of the TM breeders worked it out to provide a three generation pedigree and DNA testing to AKC so when the pups are born and can be registered with AKC... they have a three generation pedigree already there. I thought that was pretty interesting, considering they are a new breed and all.

Out here (Los Angeles County at least), in order to breed you are required to have a breeders permit and a registration number with the city for the litters bred. So technically, if I called a BYB and asked for their registration number to check and see if they are legitimate of BYB... and they didn't have one, I could report it to the city.
But, then again, the county really doesn't enforce things like that. It is really sad too...

[SmoothCollieluver]

[QUOTE=BelovedJuggernaut]Actually, some of the TM breeders worked it out to provide a three generation pedigree and DNA testing to AKC so when the pups are born and can be registered with AKC... they have a three generation pedigree already there. I thought that was pretty interesting, considering they are a new breed and all.

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Yes Beloved i understand that, that's how forign dogs get reg here too. But those papers aren't going to have any AKC CH on them because the breed hasn't been in the AKC long enough.

[BelovedJuggernaut]

[QUOTE=BelovedJuggernaut]Actually, some of the TM breeders worked it out to provide a three generation pedigree and DNA testing to AKC so when the pups are born and can be registered with AKC... they have a three generation pedigree already there. I thought that was pretty interesting, considering they are a new breed and all.

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Yes Beloved i understand that, that's how forign dogs get reg here too. But those papers aren't going to have any AKC CH on them because the breed hasn't been in the AKC long enough.


Oh, I know that! The wont have any AKC championships, but there are quite a few that have titles from other organizations and countries, although they don't count for AKC, still neat!